From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.comp.gnu.gettext.bugs Subject: Re: Emacs i18n Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:28:07 -0400 Message-ID: References: <25076895.mA2g9mTHSI@omega> <87h8bx5ijn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y357q4uc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="118265"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: bug-gettext@gnu.org, bruno@clisp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 23 03:28:17 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h7WOP-000Ufc-HW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:28:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37535 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7WOO-0003PO-FO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:28:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34602) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7WOI-0003P1-Mh; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:28:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55865) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h7WOH-0003fz-IE; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:28:09 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1h7WOF-0006T8-Be; Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:28:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87y357q4uc.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 21 Mar 2019 23:45:31 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234633 gmane.comp.gnu.gettext.bugs:1971 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The misconception of your proposal is assuming a pure algorithmic > inflection whereas actually inflection in Russian is dictionary-based > (in addition to algorithms that process words from the dictionary), Maybe I did. I see various meanings for "pure algorithmic", so I am not sure whether I did, or did not, assume the point you have in mind. > i.e. to be able to inflect a word you need a large dictionary of all > words where each word in the dictionary has at least the following > lexical properties: > - part of speech > - noun grammatical gender: masculine, feminine, neuter > - noun animacy: animate, inanimate > - inflection type It sounds like Russian has various declensions, like Latin. Do I understand right? If so, it is true that 'russian-nom' would require specification of declensions. Maybe `russian-masc' as well. Are there standard names or codes for the declensions? In Latin, each declension has a number. I think those numbers are standard in teaching of Latin, so everyone who can read Latin knows those numbers, and translators would find it natural to use a construct that specifies the proper declension by number. We would not have to implement all of them -- only those that are useful enough to be worth implementing and documenting. We would tell translators to handle the other declensions, and the special exceptions, and the irregular plurals, using lower-level constructs comparable to what gettext does now. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)