From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apropos 54f297904e0c: Temporarily comment out CC Mode from tests which are incompatible with it. Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:22 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20190117164350.GA18314@ACM> <20190118175437.GA4095@ACM> <20190118225303.GB4095@ACM> <87fttppc7o.fsf@gmail.com> <20190119110729.GA4644@ACM> <875zukpxe2.fsf@gmail.com> <87ef979ges.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.org; posting-host="ciao.gmane.org:195.159.176.228"; logging-data="85819"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.org" Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 21 21:59:43 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1glgfW-000MGB-Sh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 21:59:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59960 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1glgfV-0002bI-P3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36685) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1glgfK-0002ZY-4m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:30 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1glgfC-0000Zz-RX; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:24 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1glgfC-0008A4-5f; Mon, 21 Jan 2019 15:59:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ef979ges.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jo=C3?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=A3o_T=C3=A1vora?= on Sun, 20 Jan 2019 21:18:35 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:232581 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Most of your message addresses the problem in Emacs. That needs to be understood and handled, but not by me. I'm focusing on the conversation problem that I saw. > Richard, I fully understand that. But I must remind you, at this point, > that it was Alan who used the words I noticed your message, and commented that it seemed harsh. Perhaps if I had noticed other people's messages I would have said the same thing about those messages. We should all make an effort to restrain ourselves from becoming harsh. That's each and every one of us, including me. I'm paying attention to this right now. To ask "who started it" is to oversimplify. Often what happens is that a little harshness creeps into a discussion, then people react to that in a way that is a little more harsh. So nobody "started it" but multiple people exacerbated it. Thus, part of the effort is, when we feel harshness coming at us, to damp it down rather than hitting back. We will all have opportunities to do that. We can all use practice. Have you read https://gnu.org/philosophy/kind-communication.html? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)