From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: noeltaylo@gmail.com, right.ho@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 01:43:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1gBvfD-0003Z0-Ss@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> (message from Karl Fogel on Sun, 14 Oct 2018 11:07:11 -0500)
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I had to hold my nose about the frequent use of sinular "they" in
what your friend sent, but it is very interesting.
I have nothing in principle against switching to an Undo/Redo system.
But there is an obstacle: finding a key for the Redo command.
However, I think this aspect of the behavior is bad:
> > For example, in MS Word, if a user performs actions A, B, C, and D,
> > and then undoes the last two actions, [perse] will be returned to a
> > state in which only A and B have been performed.
A good Undo/Redo system should save the states C and D somewhere and
offer SOME way to get back to them.
> > MS Word and other programs therefore define two kinds of actions:
> > those that affect the contents of the text, ... and those that do not affect the
> > contents of the text, leaving the action history unaffected.
This might be feasible to implement as an option.
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Dr Richard Stallman
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-10-15 5:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-08 3:49 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Bingo
2018-09-08 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 8:33 ` Bingo
2018-09-08 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 13:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 14:53 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 17:59 ` Ergus
2018-09-09 19:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 22:33 ` Ergus
2018-09-09 23:34 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-14 16:07 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Karl Fogel
2018-10-14 18:42 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Stefan Monnier
2018-10-15 4:59 ` Karl Fogel
2018-10-15 6:11 ` Noel Taylor
2018-10-15 5:43 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2018-10-15 7:28 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Van L
2018-10-16 6:44 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-17 10:09 ` Nathan Moreau
2018-10-17 10:38 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Andreas Schwab
2018-10-18 7:23 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-17 12:00 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 14:05 ` Nathan Moreau
2018-10-17 14:20 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 14:33 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-18 7:23 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-15 8:26 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Yuri Khan
2018-10-16 6:44 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-16 7:22 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-20 8:15 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-10-20 18:33 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-10-15 7:54 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-15 9:27 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-15 12:01 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Óscar Fuentes
2018-10-15 13:28 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-16 12:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-17 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
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