From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:26:03 -0400 Message-ID: References: <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8t2ki9.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <20180827015422.lcq44zvsjffeau4j@Ergus> <83a7p76f5e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lg8p9o6y.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83pnxx1foj.fsf@gnu.org> <87bm9d9zs9.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536128773 10615 195.159.176.226 (5 Sep 2018 06:26:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 06:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: hw@adminart.net, eliz@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 05 08:26:08 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fxRGS-0002d4-4k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 08:26:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54024 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxRIY-00027A-FG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxRI5-0001oz-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:27:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxRI1-0003a3-1S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:27:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35819) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fxRGN-0001Uf-RT; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:26:04 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fxRGN-0005mj-Gc; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:26:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87bm9d9zs9.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229279 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Yeah. Most of that stuff is "move cursor back and forward". It's too > slow for most new users and freaks them out. While it was well intended > at the time, I think, it is now a negative feature of the tutorial. Users need to learn these commands in order to edit _efficiently_ with Emacs. But maybe most beginners will not aim to edit _efficiently_ and it is ok not to teach them this. > I would like to add automation which would work better. So where it says > "create a new frame", it would be nice to have a click button which > actually does this for you. I don't follow. Concretely, what do you propose, and what is good about it? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)