From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: update intro to Emacs Lisp programming Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 00:10:23 -0400 Message-ID: References: <80DB6796-41FE-4090-B1DD-BF5AE3F4D0CF@scratch.space> <83zi16ofny.fsf@gnu.org> <6A8BB190-FA64-4697-AFDA-EFBEB4886230@scratch.space> <90addb33-6797-b203-4a67-a2a6c201bd81@cs.ucla.edu> <97CEED22-57CE-4715-9239-1557F38AD994@gmail.com> <376AD40E-4EEC-4DC6-ADDA-4E594EAFE1DE@gmail.com> <87bmddvvj8.fsf@mbork.pl> <87in7juhc6.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1526875727 8234 195.159.176.226 (21 May 2018 04:08:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 May 2018 04:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: van@scratch.space, brandelune@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 21 06:08:42 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc7m-00023A-9P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 06:08:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48710 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc9t-0007hc-9a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc9j-0007hL-HV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:10:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc9i-0006HS-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:10:43 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45477) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc9Q-00062R-Ib; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:10:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1fKc9P-0006bw-Pi; Mon, 21 May 2018 00:10:23 -0400 In-reply-to: <87in7juhc6.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Sun, 20 May 2018 05:38:33 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:225502 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Argument: the popular ways of learning _now_ are blogs (which are the > thing of "web 2.0", although nobody seems to be using that term now) and > videos (and I think YouTube started the trend of people putting their > videos on the Internet). One cannot refute, or consider, a fragmentary argument. With your explanation, I see what the argument consists of and what conclusion it tries to demonstrate. Thank you. Here is my response to the argument: That claim may be true for certain kinds of people, for instance young people with a technical orientation who do everything by internet. I suspect that many of you fit into that category. Most people do not. The Emacs Lisp Intro, in particular, is aimed at people who don't pick things up quickly on the internet. That said, I would not mind if we offered a video also. Would someone like to make one? As for "blogs", as far as I know that only means a sort of regular series publication, usually not very long. How would this manual differ from an item in a blog? Only by size? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.