From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What improvements would be truly useful? Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:20:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87inaiss6l.fsf@web.de> <6FCF6ACA-4F29-4B6B-BE9D-D7130C6E9495@gnu.org> <87fu5moe4c.fsf@web.de> <877eqyocro.fsf@web.de> <83zi3uz4nb.fsf@gnu.org> <0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org> <8bc3c4c7-dfc7-987a-95e7-bd309e2326c6@cs.ucla.edu> <03118DC0-39DA-4AB5-980E-A33809B9A5EE@raeburn.org> <87sh998qb8.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520634029 15886 195.159.176.226 (9 Mar 2018 22:20:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 22:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, raeburn@raeburn.org, dancol@dancol.org, rostislav.svoboda@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 09 23:20:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1euQNF-000438-0C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 23:20:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48409 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euQPH-0001g1-Sg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:22:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:45774) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euQOb-0001fr-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:21:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euQOa-0000nd-R5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:21:49 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:46155) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1euQNi-00007J-1Z; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:20:54 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1euQNh-0001Wz-N9; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:20:53 -0500 In-reply-to: <87sh998qb8.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223563 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > No, it really isn't. A document is a user-centric feature -- it's a > piece of work that stores information in a way that it useful to the > user. I disagree with you there. If something can't be copied to various places and looked at, I say it is not a document. It may be some other kind of thing. > The self-contained file notion is a developer issue. No, it is absolutely crucial to being able to use the document in the ways we are accustomed to use documents. > Following your definition, MS Word becomes a document editor and MS Word > Online does not. I did not state a definition of "document editor" -- it's not part of the point I want to make -- so I think that is a misunderstanding. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.