From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Towards a WYSIWYG word processing (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:09:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83d10freh8.fsf@gnu.org> <83d10epu31.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1520541142 30855 195.159.176.226 (8 Mar 2018 20:32:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, daniele@grinta.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 08 21:32:17 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eu2Cz-0007pW-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 21:32:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41757 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eu2F2-0008Jz-IQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:34:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52122) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eu1qz-0004Y5-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:09:30 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eu1qy-0003hz-3E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:09:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:38312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eu1qf-0003W9-9L; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:09:09 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1eu1qe-0004ZC-MD; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 15:09:08 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from John Yates on Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:54:43 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:223517 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > My bottom line: The style models in MSWord and LibreWord represent > years of incremental tweaking to ill-conceived initial models. Emacs > has an opportunity to start afresh. If it really is going to pursue > WYSIWYG document preparation it should not squander that opportunity. I use Libre Office much in the way of themes or styles. It's fine for the simple things I want to do. I can't be the only one who uses it in a basic way. That is why I am sure that WYSIWYG word processing in Emacs, if implemented at the same low level of sophistiation, will be useful. That doesn't mean I'm against those customization features. Quite the contrary: given a WYSIWYG facility, I'm sure Emacs developers will work on various kinds of style features and make them good. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See https://stallman.org/skype.html.