From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GitLab CI setup file in scratch/tzz/gitlab Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 23:25:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87shkvnh2z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83inlrngte.fsf@gnu.org> <864lxal9zf.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <83efwend39.fsf@gnu.org> <7d76fa8b-af9e-0484-1ac7-af94ce01549a@yandex.ru> <837f25oq0d.fsf@gnu.org> <878tmkkpui.fsf@lifelogs.com> <41908131-e111-aa3d-b5af-b331c7618ed3@yandex.ru> <356742bb-967f-67c1-6a30-62e4d4e30102@yandex.ru> <87a86gnpiv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <20170517211213.19d9e65e@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <20170518215309.525f1ac1@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1495337134 6332 195.159.176.226 (21 May 2017 03:25:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 03:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Perry E. Metzger" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 21 05:25:30 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1dCHUo-0001VQ-2l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 May 2017 05:25:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36138 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dCHUq-0000MD-Ln for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 May 2017 23:25:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47177) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dCHUi-0000Lx-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2017 23:25:25 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dCHUh-0004yk-6V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 May 2017 23:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56921) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1dCHUZ-0004w5-Md; Sat, 20 May 2017 23:25:15 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1dCHUZ-0006CA-3j; Sat, 20 May 2017 23:25:15 -0400 In-reply-to: <20170518215309.525f1ac1@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> (perry@piermont.com) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:215034 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > As for magit, we don't have legal papers to include it in Emacs, > > so please don't encourage poeple to use it. > I'm curious as to why. It is GPL, even GPLv3. Given that it is free > software, is there a good reason why one should discourage use of > it? We want the Emacs distribution to be complete -- to contain everything needed to use Emacs in the _recommended_ way, aside from low level general-purpose facilities that Emacs uses (and other programs use). We can't include magit in Emacs. If we treated magit as part of the way we recommend for people to use Emacs, that creates a problem since Emacs could not be complete. > > To keep Emacs honest, we must promote the tools we can include in > > Emacs. If those seem insufficient, then we should improve them. > > Perhaps that includes replacing magit (if we can't get papers for > > magit). > Has it been tried? I think that a year or two ago people found it would be hard to get papers from the developers of magit. I don't think people have tried replacing the parts of magit that we can't get papers for. Maybe that is a good approach to use. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.