From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GitLab CI setup file in scratch/tzz/gitlab Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:19:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87shkvnh2z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83inlrngte.fsf@gnu.org> <864lxal9zf.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <83efwend39.fsf@gnu.org> <7d76fa8b-af9e-0484-1ac7-af94ce01549a@yandex.ru> <837f25oq0d.fsf@gnu.org> <878tmkkpui.fsf@lifelogs.com> <41908131-e111-aa3d-b5af-b331c7618ed3@yandex.ru> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1493590849 305 195.159.176.226 (30 Apr 2017 22:20:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 01 00:20:44 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1d4xCt-0008NM-P0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 01 May 2017 00:20:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46057 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4xCz-00037A-EB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:20:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4xC5-00036u-Fl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4xC4-0008B9-NT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:19:53 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58517) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1d4xC0-00089b-Ln; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1d4xC0-0006Rq-6f; Sun, 30 Apr 2017 18:19:48 -0400 In-reply-to: <41908131-e111-aa3d-b5af-b331c7618ed3@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 29 Apr 2017 20:44:56 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:214457 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > Great. Only Gitlab requires a file in the master branch, out of the > > > three we're evaluating (the other two are Hydra and Buildbot). > > > > Are those SaaSS too? > That's a trick question. Gitlab is not SaaSS. It is an honest and serious question. However, I should have distinguishd more clearly between the software called GitLab and the service called GitLab. The GitLab software is not SaaSS, because it's not a service. It is a program. One version of that program is free. It is fine for us to run that program if it serves our purpose. To use a commercial service for this would be SaaSS, even if it is running _the exact same program_ SaaSS is not a question of which programs are running on the server. We can't verify which programs are running on anyone else's server. We can't change them either, even if they are free software. Please see https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html for an explanation of the SaaSS issue. Perhaps the FSF should find volunteers to set up a server to do CI for GNU packages using the GitLab software. Would that be useful? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.