From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:16 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87k29gsgam.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29cmq1u.fsf@elephly.net> <8737g0qw7z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vasvnvty.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmumrkzn.fsf@flea> <87tw8cr7v0.fsf@flea> <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> <8760krqtf9.fsf@flea> <87shnuq1z2.fsf@flea> <865B41B3-9001-4F4A-9CF2-0C648100E0B2@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486252480 21085 195.159.176.226 (4 Feb 2017 23:54:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 23:54:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, jean.christophe.helary@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Filipe Silva Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 05 00:54:27 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1caA9y-00050H-Jz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2017 00:54:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41261 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1caAA4-0006Qv-6b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:32 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47766) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1caA9t-0006PY-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1caA9t-0002N1-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:22 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56081) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1caA9o-0002KH-T6; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:16 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1caA9o-0000kF-7M; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 18:54:16 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Filipe Silva on Fri, 3 Feb 2017 22:37:55 -0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211981 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Look this way: They could have rendered the whole html that you see in the > server side, and still there are tons of websites that do that. and in that > case you would have just the bare html and css in your hands, That's the way they SHOULD do it. which doesn't > change the fact that you are using non-free software that generates that > html; No you aren't. That code isn't working for you. It's working for the owner of the web server, and that's who should have control over it. > but instead they chose to split the software: they hand it to your browser > a piece of the software in js so that you can have a more dynamic > experience. That's exactly what's wrong: trying to run their code on my computer, without giving me control over it. I don't expect or ask to have control over the code that runs on their web server. That code is doing their computing(*), so I think they ought to have control over it. I don't have a copy of it in any form -- neither source nor binary. However, I insist on having control over the code that runs on my computer. It has to be free, and I should be able to install a different version and change it. > I trust that > it is written in a way that stops client js code from doing harm to my > privacy and freedom. If you're running it and you don't have control over it, that is denying you freedom. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html. * That's nornally the case, but there are exceptions. If that code is doing my computing, then it is SaaSS, which is wrong. See https://gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.