From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:00 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <86k2dk77w6.fsf@molnjunk.nocrew.org> <642fd4b4-8b1c-a537-5a5f-6940691ec4b9@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1476150180 7247 195.159.176.226 (11 Oct 2016 01:43:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 01:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: eller.helmut@gmail.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 03:42:56 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1btm5b-0008So-2p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2016 03:42:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53351 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btm5Z-0005MV-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50597) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btm50-0005ME-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btm4y-0001O0-AV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57410) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1btm4w-0001Lc-6b; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:02 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1btm4u-0008PQ-FQ; Mon, 10 Oct 2016 21:42:00 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Richard Stallman on Mon, 10 Oct 2016 05:00:29 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:208146 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The reason namespaces systems do not fit well into Lisp is that they have to operate in 'read', in the choice of which symbol object you get. I looked very briefly at the Clojure namespace spec and saw that it operates as part of evaluation, not as part of reading. Perhaps that explains why it is usable. Namespaces can work reasonably well as part of evaluation. However, that doesn't fit Lisp. Clojure is not Lisp. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.