From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: rswgnu@gmail.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, mats.lidell@cag.se,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:06:23 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1bEKdT-0004U8-Jx@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a8ijreus.fsf@red-bean.com> (message from Karl Fogel on Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:53:47 -0500)
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> Org Mode, like Emacs, requires a fair amount of investment on the
> part of the user before the rewards arrive. Once the rewards
> finally start arriving, the investment becomes worth it -- but
> until until then, one makes the effort on faith.
That may be true, but I stand by what I said.
It is fine to have a structured editing mode, but it was
bad design to make other facilities depend on it in this way.
That makes a distortion in the overall design of Emacs.
The other facilities should be separate things, even if they
can work with the structured editing mode. Even if they ALWAYS
use the structured editing mode, they should be separate
as far as the user is concerned, not "part of" it.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
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2016-06-15 20:55 Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole (Was: Call for testers for GNU Hyperbole 5.12, a large, useful Emacs package) Robert Weiner
2016-06-15 21:53 ` Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole John Wiegley
2016-06-15 22:16 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-16 0:39 ` John Wiegley
2016-06-16 14:41 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-16 23:18 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-16 23:51 ` John Wiegley
2016-06-17 0:19 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-17 5:02 ` Tom
2016-06-17 15:29 ` raman
2016-06-17 23:54 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-18 16:47 ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-06-18 17:05 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-28 15:23 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-06-28 15:43 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-29 14:34 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-29 15:04 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-30 17:58 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-30 23:02 ` Scott Randby
2016-07-01 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-01 8:17 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-07-01 9:46 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-01 20:53 ` Tom
2016-07-05 18:24 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-01 22:09 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-01 23:01 ` Allen S. Rout
2016-07-03 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 18:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 19:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 19:53 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-06 15:41 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-01 22:09 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-02 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-03 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-01 18:38 ` Scott Randby
2016-07-01 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-01 21:11 ` Tom
2016-07-02 6:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-03 0:05 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 18:13 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-01 21:34 ` Scott Randby
2016-07-01 21:58 ` John Mastro
2016-07-02 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-02 9:13 ` Achim Gratz
2016-07-02 10:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-02 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 18:07 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 19:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 19:57 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-06 15:32 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-06 18:08 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-03 0:05 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-03 13:59 ` Scott Randby
2016-07-03 14:19 ` Scott Randby
2016-07-05 18:02 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-02 9:00 ` Joost Kremers
2016-07-02 9:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 18:17 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 17:51 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-06-29 16:33 ` Tom
2016-06-29 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-29 20:04 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-29 22:15 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2016-06-30 2:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-30 13:41 ` Allen S. Rout
2016-07-03 0:08 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-29 17:30 ` Allen S. Rout
2016-06-29 20:04 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-30 8:26 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-03 22:36 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-04 13:58 ` Kaushal Modi
2016-07-04 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-04 21:33 ` Robert Weiner
2016-07-05 22:59 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06 4:21 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:29 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06 7:12 ` Nikolai Weibull
2016-07-06 22:30 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-07 12:09 ` Nikolai Weibull
[not found] ` <921c10a04c17462988c2821ed40582e7@DB5PR01MB1895.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2016-07-06 8:06 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-07 21:54 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <33003e1e02b04d2db5ee60baff9a040f@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2016-07-08 12:23 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-07-09 16:56 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-10 6:47 ` chad brown
2016-07-10 14:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-04 21:33 ` Phillip Lord
2016-07-05 13:11 ` Etienne Prud'homme
2016-07-05 14:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 23:03 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06 8:49 ` Joost Kremers
2016-07-07 21:54 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-06 10:44 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-05 16:16 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 17:26 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-07 22:01 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <<E1bKBHv-0000lE-Bw@fencepost.gnu.org>
2016-07-04 22:26 ` Drew Adams
2016-07-05 17:50 ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-07-05 20:30 ` joakim
2016-07-06 22:24 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-02 7:18 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-02 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-07-05 15:49 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-03 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2016-07-05 15:53 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-07-06 22:22 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-17 13:31 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2016-06-18 18:02 ` Richard Stallman
2016-06-18 20:31 ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-06-19 11:49 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-19 12:36 ` Fabrice Popineau
2016-06-17 15:27 ` raman
2016-06-16 23:57 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-17 15:53 ` Karl Fogel
2016-06-18 18:06 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2016-06-20 18:15 ` Karl Fogel
2016-06-20 20:36 ` Tom
2016-06-28 15:28 ` Eric S Fraga
2016-06-16 8:44 ` Re:Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole (Was: Call for testers for GNU Hyperbole 5.12, a large, useful Emacs package) tumashu
2016-06-16 14:07 ` Robert Weiner
2016-06-16 15:38 ` Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole raman
2016-06-16 16:06 ` Robert Weiner
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