From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:52:21 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fhamxwq.fsf@gnu.org> <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457747634 14275 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2016 01:53:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 01:53:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 12 02:53:41 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYkN-0005qz-Ig for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 02:53:39 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58560 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYkM-0000bC-Oo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:53:38 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56204) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYjz-0000Z9-Au for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:53:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYjy-0005ft-Dm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:53:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYj8-0005YQ-6k; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYj7-0002Wj-IM; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:52:21 -0500 In-reply-to: <87io0u4bip.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201516 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Seriously? New users already know to how move around from place to > place. It's like being a driving instructor and starting off with how to > open the door, or how to sit in the chair. You are taking a harsh, hectoring tone. Surely you can state your position without doing that. You point out problems in certain points, for certain readers. Maybe you are right. But there are many ways to change those points. Your leap from "there is a problem" to "delete this" is not valid. Regarding Meta and Alt, Emacs calls it "Meta" and so does the Emacs Manual, and so does the X Window System. So your idea of not talking about Meta at all simply would run into trouble. Here again, some change could be an improvement, but the radical change you demand would be bad. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.