From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:50:14 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457747491 12256 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2016 01:51:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 01:51:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 12 02:51:22 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYiA-00045e-Ev for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 02:51:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58555 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYi6-0008GX-Hq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:51:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54688) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYhu-0008GQ-HA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:51:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYht-0004jY-KN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:51:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59613) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYh5-0004Om-07; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:50:15 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aeYh4-00020k-Ct; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:50:14 -0500 In-reply-to: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> (phillip.lord@russet.org.uk) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201512 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Users who learn move the cursor with arrow keys in Emacs experience > > slow editing. We should get them started the way that works better. > I have doubts that you have any strong evidence for this. Of course I do. I've watched people edit, and when they move their hands to the arrow keys that takes time. > In addition, there is the > mouse. Using the mouse is extremely slow each time. That is why I never use it for editing. > The mouse and arrows keys also have an additional huge advantage: they > work any where, including outside Emacs. That's why we made Emacs support them. But that has nothing to do with the question at hand, which is how we should recommend people use Emacs. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.