From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:23:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> <87fuw090k7.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83y49spuxt.fsf@gnu.org> <87pov4achc.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <83r3fkpb3u.fsf@gnu.org> <83lh5rps0t.fsf@gnu.org> <56E066BD.5050403@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457645052 22417 80.91.229.3 (10 Mar 2016 21:24:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2016 21:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, johnw@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 10 22:24:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ae83r-0007Am-O3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 22:23:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51393 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae83o-0002i1-2T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:23:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49927) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae83l-0002hv-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:23:54 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae83k-0007MU-CV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:23:53 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ae83h-0007KG-Nz; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ae83g-0000op-TV; Thu, 10 Mar 2016 16:23:48 -0500 In-reply-to: <56E066BD.5050403@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Wed, 9 Mar 2016 10:09:01 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201430 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > So removing ChangeLog files will be a bad blow to our ability to > > easily and conveniently research the past, > No, this doesn't follow. If we use ChangeLog formats in commit messages, > we can still research the past easily and conveniently. I agree, as long as we include a compilation as a ChangeLog file in tar releases. Even though Git does not permit editing a commit message _as such_, we can provide, at a higher level, a way to correct old commit messages. Maintaining a ChangeLog file in the repository is one way to do this, but if it has flaws in the case of merging, can we design another mechanism for the job that solves the problems with merging? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.