From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Should Glibc API be changed? Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:56:41 -0500 Message-ID: References: <569CDB81.6040600@redhat.com> <569D4A94.8000507@redhat.com> <569E66E3.6060307@redhat.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1453258630 7770 80.91.229.3 (20 Jan 2016 02:57:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 02:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Florian Weimer Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 20 03:57:01 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aLixA-0000Ej-Ir for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Jan 2016 03:57:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39961 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLix9-00079v-Up for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:56:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46004) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLiwv-00079f-Lz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:56:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLiwu-0000pg-Ra for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:56:45 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:43842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aLiws-0000ol-EF; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:56:42 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aLiwr-0006VT-UH; Tue, 19 Jan 2016 21:56:41 -0500 In-reply-to: <569E66E3.6060307@redhat.com> (message from Florian Weimer on Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:40:03 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:198410 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I'm disappointed you chose a private mailing list for the discussion. Of course I did. This a sensitive issue; it is best to discuss it without an audience. > I'm puzzled why you think this is a major change. It only affects Emacs A change that breaks other programs, and does not offer a trivial way to fix them, is a major change. Affecting Emacs is already plenty -- and other programs might be affected to. > The research in the parent thread suggests that I was mistaken and Emacs > should compile just fine after removal of the API. I suspect a misunderstanding. You may be using the term "API" in a narrow sense. I mean, everything about how programs can use Glibc. This is not just about whether Emacs (and maybe other programs) _compile_ without errors. It's about whether they still work as intended. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.