From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Mac port Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:18 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87bn9a8an8.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <5682CA30.904@gmail.com> <5682CC68.8070205@yandex.ru> <5682D13E.7090202@gmail.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1451455907 15917 80.91.229.3 (30 Dec 2015 06:11:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 06:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru To: =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9ment?= Pit--Claudel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 30 07:11:46 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aE9z6-00014d-9b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 07:11:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51289 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aE9z5-0001kq-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48851) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aE9yn-0001QL-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aE9ym-0008N4-Fc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aE9yh-0008HS-80; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:19 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aE9yg-0004mK-Nq; Wed, 30 Dec 2015 01:11:18 -0500 In-reply-to: <5682D13E.7090202@gmail.com> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Cl=C3=A9?= =?utf-8?Q?ment?= Pit--Claudel on Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:30:22 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:197156 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I was just pointing out that as due to the current situation, I've > had people point out to me that my Emacs experience would be nicer > on MacOS than on GNU/Linux (and they are right: the best Emacs > experience today is not on GNU/Linux). If there are technical advantages to running Emacs on MacOS rather than on GNU,that is a bad thing. Adding more MacOS-only features to GNU Emacs would make it worse. To correct this technical problem entails (1) putting support into X display for these features and (2) making Emacs interface to them. Since (1) is the hard job and (2) is comparatively easy, our proper technical response is to urge people to work on (1). Would you like to work on it? However, our response should not be purely technical, because the problem is not purely technical. A big part of the problem is that these people judge the "best" experience in a shallow, superficial way, considering convenience alone and disregarding freedom. When you judge based on freedom, SmackOS is a horrible experience. We need to do more to point out this issue to the people who habitually disregard it, or don't know about it. I suggest showing other people fsf.org/tedx and http://gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html. Also http://gnu.org/proprietary/malware-apple.html. Your personal example can influence people. If you put GNU/Linux on your Mac, and tell your friends, "I want freedom. I will sacrifice some convenience so I can be free," you will influence some of them somewhat. See http://gnu.org/philosophy/compromise.html. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.