From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What would be the best screenshot of Emacs for the homepage? Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:03:28 -0500 Message-ID: References: <876105i1yi.fsf@petton.fr> <87wpslglue.fsf@petton.fr> <87io44llid.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4d0bmh4.fsf@mbork.pl> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1449896638 11796 80.91.229.3 (12 Dec 2015 05:03:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 05:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, nicolas@petton.fr, dak@gnu.org, pierre.lecocq@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Marcin Borkowski Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 12 06:03:47 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1a7cLR-0003pr-M9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 06:03:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50572 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7cLR-00038g-3Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:03:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34900) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7cLL-00033o-Sd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:03:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7cLK-0005bR-VW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:03:39 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1a7cLC-0005Wv-3e; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:03:30 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1a7cLA-0003iL-Op; Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:03:28 -0500 In-reply-to: <87y4d0bmh4.fsf@mbork.pl> (message from Marcin Borkowski on Sat, 12 Dec 2015 00:21:27 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196156 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> I understand the idea to promote a FOSS enviromnent vs a proprietary > >> one, > > > > A free environment. > Isn't GNOME also open source? I thought "FOSS" means the conjunction of > both. I should explain that "free software" and "open source" are the names of two very different ideas. The free software movement is a campaign for users' freedom. The open source non-movement was founded later as a reaction, to bury and hide our ethical ideals. See http://gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html for more explanation of the difference between free software and open source. See also http://thebaffler.com/past/the_meme_hustler for Evgeny Morozov's article on the same point. The term "FOSS" purports to cite both of these camps without taking a side. In practice, it is not really neutral, since it makes "open source" more visible than "free software". By contrast, "FLOSS" really succeeds in being neutral. See http://gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.html. However, we don't want to be neutral. GNU is a project of the free software movement. We want to give the free software movement clear and strong support; we don't support the open source non-movement. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.