From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:34:59 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> <8337xispn2.fsf@gnu.org> <56195055.6010409@gmx.at> <83r3l2r1nf.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3l0ndk2.fsf@gnu.org> <87mvvnapq5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444779410 18992 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2015 23:36:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 23:36:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, sb@dod.no, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 14 01:36:37 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm97T-0001AT-NP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2015 01:36:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39838 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm97S-0000OY-9u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:36:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35919) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm968-0007jL-P8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:35:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm967-0004wI-JD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:35:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44931) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm95w-0004ik-G9; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:35:00 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zm95v-0003Hj-O9; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 19:34:59 -0400 In-reply-to: <87mvvnapq5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from David Kastrup on Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:47:30 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191519 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > So what? I'm more interested in things that make Emacs better than > things that made Visual C++ better. It's one thing to put lipstick on a > pig, but an octopus might not even have a good place for it. This is true as a general statement, but in general I hope we can find ways to integrate into Emacs the useful or appealing features of other IDEs. Let's at least try to find a way to make them fit, before we dismiss the idea. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.