From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:48 -0400 Message-ID: References: <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191EBE.5050404@yandex.ru> <83612essaw.fsf@gnu.org> <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444596624 15638 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2015 20:50:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 20:50:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru, adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Engster Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 11 22:50:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNZM-0007SG-R8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 22:50:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49707 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNZM-00055u-1I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:50:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50338) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNZ7-0004nW-1F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNZ6-0001i8-4d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51541) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNYz-0001eW-7P; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:49 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZlNYy-0006f5-9a; Sun, 11 Oct 2015 16:49:48 -0400 In-reply-to: <877fmuix68.fsf@isaac.fritz.box> (message from David Engster on Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:02:39 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191270 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Yes. ECB uses lots of advices to achieve what it does. I think somebody > (Martin?) worked on a 'window group' feature which would make this > easier. I used to have a rule of not installing anything in Emacs that put advice on some other part of Emacs. When module A wants module B to do something special, rather than having A advise B, it's better for mainenance to make B run a hook and have A set up that hook. The hook is cleaner because, when you look at the code of B, you see it runs the hook, and you you know to check what's in the hook. If advice is used, there is nothing in B to warn you that the function does something you can't see. Thus, whenever I installed a package which used advice, I added hooks and changed it to use them instead. Advice is for users to use, not for Emacs to use. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.