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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master b533552 2/5: Documentation fixes re quotes
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 20:03:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ZWZ3N-0000gR-Me@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55E3F9D7.6040601@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sun,  30 Aug 2015 23:53:11 -0700)

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I think this change is misconceived.

  > diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
  > index f1480a4..a27a969 100644
  > --- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
  > +++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
  > @@ -3862,10 +3862,10 @@ tiger!} will be printed; otherwise, @code{nil} will be returned.
  >  @group
  >  (defun type-of-animal (characteristic)
  >    "Print message in echo area depending on CHARACTERISTIC.
  > -If the CHARACTERISTIC is the symbol `fierce',
  > +If the CHARACTERISTIC is the symbol ?fierce?,
  >  then warn of a tiger."
  >    (if (equal characteristic 'fierce)
  > -      (message "It's a tiger!")))
  > +      (message "It?s a tiger!")))
  >  @end group
  >  @end smallexample

This is not an example of what appears in a Help buffer.
It is an example of source code.  Doc strings should be written
with straight quotes, so the example should show straight quotes.

Likewise, the call to message should use a straight quote.
It will usually typically _output_ a curly quote if it uses 'format-message',
but this example shows the source code, not the output.

This change is correct:

  >  When you evaluate @code{(type-of-animal 'fierce)}, you will see the
  > -following message printed in the echo area: @code{"It's a tiger!"}; and
  > +following message printed in the echo area: @code{"It?s a tiger!"}; and

It's correct because it shows the output.  However, the text should
explain (without the full detail) the difference in quotes.  Perhaps

   On terminals that can display curly quotes, 'message' changes ASCII
quotes to curly ones.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-09-01  0:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20150831061236.27796.57762@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <E1ZWIKb-0007FR-Kk@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31  6:26   ` [Emacs-diffs] master b533552 2/5: Documentation fixes re quotes Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:39     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31  6:47       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31  7:00           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  7:13             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  0:03           ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2015-09-02  1:05             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  1:27               ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02  1:30                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02  5:19                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02  5:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 15:40                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 16:32                       ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 15:38               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 17:42                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 18:49                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 21:50                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:08                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 22:47                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 22:59                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-07  1:28               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found] ` <E1ZWIKd-0007Fs-15@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-31  6:29   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31  6:38     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-31 17:34     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:40       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-31 18:48       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  7:35         ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31 17:40     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 18:03       ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01  1:55         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-09-01  3:40         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01  6:29           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 10:45           ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 10:53             ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-01 11:22             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 11:40               ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-01 11:42               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 12:06                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 14:20                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 10:16                     ` Oleh Krehel
2015-09-03 11:22                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-03 14:50                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-03 15:04                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-01 13:31               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-01 14:15                 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-01 15:39             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02  4:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02  5:28                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 10:02                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 11:22                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 15:41                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-02 15:53                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 16:38                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 15:37                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-03 17:26                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 16:32                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-02 17:23                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 17:43                         ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 22:25                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 10:48                             ` David Kastrup
2015-09-03 12:45                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-09-03 14:46                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-02 22:13                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-03 12:22                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-03 14:56                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-04 13:22                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-09-02 20:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 19:25               ` Paul Eggert
2015-09-07  1:28                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01 19:33               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02  2:34                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-02  5:23                   ` David Kastrup
2015-09-02 11:16                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-02 11:52                     ` Quoting yank/diff prefixes (was: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim) David Kastrup
2015-09-03 14:34                     ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ffb6ce 5/5: Quoting fixes in lisp/international and lisp/leim Stefan Monnier
2015-09-01 22:57             ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01  0:03     ` Richard Stallman
2015-09-01  1:20       ` Paul Eggert

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