From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <20150816225346.GA5367@acm.fritz.box> <55D2C080.2000806@cs.ucla.edu> <87wpwt5619.fsf@gnu.org> <55D36CB5.10803@cs.ucla.edu> <878u9879q9.fsf@igel.home> <19BD5D76-06A0-4FC0-A46F-760B2C27D321@gmail.com> <20150818194253.GE2262@acm.fritz.box> <0ac95dde-75ba-464b-90b2-1b19b348473e@default> <55DC530B.4040509@yandex.ru> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1440540918 31273 80.91.229.3 (25 Aug 2015 22:15:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 22:15:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, yandros@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 26 00:15:00 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMUa-0001LI-Q7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:14:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34888 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMUU-0004xL-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:14:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34940) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMRm-0000Hm-DO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMRl-0003JR-Jg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51935) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMRc-0003Dq-DS; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:11:52 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZUMRb-0000wT-9M; Tue, 25 Aug 2015 18:11:51 -0400 In-reply-to: <55DC530B.4040509@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 14:35:39 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189178 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > For overall ease of maintenance, I think we should discourage use of > > curly quotes and other non-ASCII characters in comments within Emacs > > sources and Emacs packages, because they are a _gratuitous_ impediment > > to some developers' editing the sources. That is, they cause trouble > > for some, while providing no _practical_ benefit to anyone. > I would rephrase that instead to simply disallow non-ASCII characters in > the *syntax* of Emacs comments (C and Lisp). That is not a rephrasing. It's a totally different position. I'm talking about the contents of comments, not their syntax. The syntax of Lisp and C comments is well defined and it does not involve non-ASCII characters. I'm sayin comments shouldn't contain any non-ASCII characters except under special circumstances. I gave two examples of special circumstances that would justify non-ASCII characters. > If someone wants to write a > comment in their native, non-English language, that is, of course, fine. Not in the Emacs sources. Comments in GNU packages should always be in English. See the GNU Coding Standards, node Comments. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.