From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150816160149.9416.80132@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <55D1043C.3030909@yandex.ru> <55D15899.2070105@cs.ucla.edu> <20150817121513.GA2634@acm.fritz.box> <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1439900896 8997 80.91.229.3 (18 Aug 2015 12:28:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 12:28:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 18 14:28:03 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRfzj-0006Zo-8d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 14:27:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56515 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRfzd-0002rs-IC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 08:27:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34489) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRXpS-0003NT-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:44:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRXpR-0007QL-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:44:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:41899) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRXpO-0007NA-9D; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:44:46 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZRXpN-000369-9k; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 23:44:45 -0400 In-reply-to: <55D21191.8070202@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:53:37 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:188873 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > The main change here is that from now on, particularly if so-called > > Electric Quote mode [*] is used, we're going to end up with a chaotic > > mix of ascii quotes and curly quotes in our source code. > Although I also would prefer a simpler approach (one that consistently uses > curved quotes), you've objected to that, necessitating a "chaotic" compromise. There is a much simpler solution: don't use curly quotes in doc strings in source code. > For years Emacs has had significant problems in editing and searching and > generating non-ASCII text. Making Emacs better in this area will inevitably > have teething problems, and we'll inevitably come up with worse solutions before > coming up with better ones. These are totally separate areas. By all means work on improving them, but that is no reason to have curly quotes in doc strings in source code. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.