From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:55:46 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434470341 22056 80.91.229.3 (16 Jun 2015 15:59:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 16 17:58:51 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4tGF-0004xP-C7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 17:58:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41108 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4tGE-0003km-Mh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:58:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44248) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4tFv-0003hU-6P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:58:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4tFu-00046i-8Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:58:31 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:51394) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4tFY-0003bQ-UV; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:58:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4tDG-0003St-DZ; Tue, 16 Jun 2015 11:55:46 -0400 In-reply-to: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Mon, 15 Jun 2015 13:57:06 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187215 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > I think we should aim to represent Lisp code as ASCII so it can be > > edited without an input method. > That makes sense for Lisp code itself, but not so much for strings > and comments that Lisp code contains. This principle should apply to text in strings, when that text is part of the conventions of Lisp code. For instance, how to quote a symbol for a doc string or an error message. > Years ago we started putting non-ASCII characters into > Lisp strings and comments, and this has worked well. That's a different issue. It is good to _permit_ putting non-ASCII characters in strings and comments, as we do; but Lisp code (including its normal conventions) shouldn't require use of such characters. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org) Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.