From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:25:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87sir336qn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140301215057.GA19461@thyrsus.com> <87fvn1y0vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn0senq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761nusb90.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1420241133 7907 80.91.229.3 (2 Jan 2015 23:25:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 23:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 03 00:25:28 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Bax-0002vA-N0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Jan 2015 00:25:27 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52889 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Bax-0007LK-32 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:25:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Bac-0007IV-TL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:25:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Bac-0004GA-1B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:25:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34491) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Bab-0004Ft-VD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:25:05 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y7Baa-0006yd-B6; Fri, 02 Jan 2015 18:25:04 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:36:22 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180931 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] I let this drop back in March -- please forgive me. > Maybe that's the issue for GCC, but for Emacs the issue is to get detailed > info out of GCC, which is a different problem. My understanding is that > you're opposed to GCC providing this useful info because that info would > need to be complete enough to be usable as input to a proprietary > compiler backend. My hope is that we can work out a kind of "detailed output" that is enough for what Emacs wants, but not enough for misuse of GCC front ends. I don't want to discuss the details on the list, because I think that would mean 50 messages of misunderstanding and tangents for each message that makes progress. Instead, is there anyone here who would like to work on this in detail? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.