From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:39:04 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> <87k321jj4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54876F7F.9000607@cs.ucla.edu> <87y4qfj2u9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54889A57.5060905@cs.ucla.edu> <87vbljb9f4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <54889F6D.6060408@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3w7b83a.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488C710.3000209@cs.ucla.edu> <871to7ayv9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488DC0C.2070402@cs.ucla.edu> <837fxyt78a.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohiujcy.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> <8761dg1ykk.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> <87388jz1ss.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418632773 29715 80.91.229.3 (15 Dec 2014 08:39:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 08:39:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 15 09:39:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RBe-0003rk-9i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:39:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38440 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RBd-00034G-R3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:39:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RBK-0002vJ-M2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:39:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RBJ-0004i8-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:39:06 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RBJ-0004hz-AO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:39:05 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y0RBI-0002MZ-PD; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 03:39:04 -0500 In-reply-to: <87388jz1ss.fsf@Gertrud.fritz.box> (message from Achim Gratz on Sat, 13 Dec 2014 22:18:27 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180129 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The Org macros might do the job. I am not sure, but I think that kbd in Org format will look a lot like @kbd in Texinfo, but longer. So it seems that there is no advantage in Org format. > > A solution that occurs to me is to use character pair brackets, such > > as _*foo*_ and _#foo#_ and *#foo#*. These would provide enough > > alternatives to make the necessary distinctions. > Defining new syntax for Org that doesn't collide with already existing > things is not easy. In this particular case, I don't even see an > advantage since the pair brackets aren't in any way self-describing, I think they can be self-describing, and they could be shorter and less cumbersome than the current Texinfo syntax. If you send me a list of the current simple markup characters, I could make some proposals. I agree that we should not go overboard on this. It might be good for 10 common constructs to have character pairs to designate them, while using Texinfo-like format with braces for the rest of the constructs. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.