From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Metaproblem, part 3 Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 04:19:53 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203193110.GF12748@thyrsus.com> <20141203215426.GA15791@thyrsus.com> <87ppbzplcw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83iohr48kr.fsf@gnu.org> <83388u4bps.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsejkrt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87tx19jpqz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fvctoxuw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417944008 28861 80.91.229.3 (7 Dec 2014 09:20:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2014 09:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 07 10:20:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxY0V-0005lf-4l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 10:19:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57434 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxY0U-0005OR-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 04:19:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44026) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxY0Q-0005OM-Tq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 04:19:55 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxY0Q-0006MM-1l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 04:19:54 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42391) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxY0P-0006MI-Tb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 04:19:53 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxY0P-00006P-42; Sun, 07 Dec 2014 04:19:53 -0500 In-reply-to: <87fvctoxuw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from David Kastrup on Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:51:03 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179241 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > The outcome overall was characterized as a huge disappointment by him, > with less work being done in the time the mentored persons stayed active > than he could have done himself in the time the tutoring took. > I have seen similar results for hiring outside people for doing free > software work: the return of investment tends to be hugely > disappointing. I have also found that trying to actively help people learn how to contribute, if they don't basically understand how to do so, consumes more time than the contributions were worth. If they do basically understand, and just need to know a few details, then it's useful to show them. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.