From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:38:16 -0400 Message-ID: References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87wq8pwjen.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g0ptnlj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3yxwdr6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx3tmi3t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834mvttgsf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhp5m99w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y4srjaot.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3yhiu8c.fsf@gnu.org> <83siiw9c6t.fsf@gnu.org> <83zjd3846e.fsf@gnu.org> <83d29x96v2.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413171509 13669 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2014 03:38:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:38:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stephen@xemacs.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 13 05:38:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XdWSk-0002JD-At for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:38:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60018 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdWSj-0000oN-Pu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:38:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43892) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdWSh-0000oE-9H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:38:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdWSg-0001vK-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:38:19 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdWSg-0001v6-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:38:18 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdWSe-0002TY-CH; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:38:16 -0400 In-reply-to: <83d29x96v2.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:47:45 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175302 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Assume that any operation which decodes text _for a user to see_ > will specify flexible decoding. That means almost all of them, more-or-less. So it goes against what AFAIU Mark had in mind with "struct UTF-8". I don't think so. I think he is talking about operations OTHER THAN those that decode text to put it in a buffer and show it to a user. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.