From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:11 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413169826 30410 80.91.229.3 (13 Oct 2014 03:10:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 03:10:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, mikegerwitz@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stephen@xemacs.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 13 05:10:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XdW1b-0003Np-Ht for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Oct 2014 05:10:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59946 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdW1b-0003lg-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40445) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdW1W-0003hA-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:15 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdW1V-0003VQ-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:14 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52254) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdW1V-0003VM-Bi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:13 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XdW1T-0007Ae-QA; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 23:10:11 -0400 In-reply-to: <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:54:06 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175301 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > And, of course, when you invoke a program locally, there's usually no > protocol at all involved. > > Likewise, we need to look at some real cases. Not sure what you mean by that. M-! and M-| is what I had in mind. This may be a big miscommunication. I think the people who want strict encoding are talking about network communication using open-network-stream. But it would be good if they presented some examples to make it clear what cases they are talking about. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.