From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:15:26 -0400 Message-ID: References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87wq8pwjen.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g0ptnlj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3yxwdr6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx3tmi3t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834mvttgsf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhp5m99w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <871tql17uw.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <838uktm9gw.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9zgarvp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83y4srjaot.fsf@gnu.org> <83r3yhiu8c.fsf@gnu.org> <83siiw9c6t.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412990148 8406 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2014 01:15:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 01:15:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stephen@xemacs.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 11 03:15:42 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XclHZ-00055W-KZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 03:15:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51868 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XclHZ-0001iQ-3j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:15:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48459) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XclHN-0001Zb-4W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:15:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XclHL-0006GU-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:15:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XclHL-0006GH-HJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:15:27 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XclHK-0001fe-DM; Fri, 10 Oct 2014 21:15:26 -0400 In-reply-to: <83siiw9c6t.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 10 Oct 2014 18:28:10 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175245 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > They don't HAVE to be treated the same. We are talking about changes, > here. They will be very deep and invasive changes, because currently the encoding/decoding routines don't know the purpose of the stuff they are producing. No, it's just a matter of setting some parameter to specify a particular decision in decoding or encoding behavior. > But changes may not be needed. All operations that do encoding or > decoding allow explicit specification of the coding system. Of course, they do. But the issue at hand is precisely whether it is the application's responsibility to explicitly specify conversions that will be strict wrt invalid byte sequences, or should Emacs do that by default. Yes. It will be easy to specify one or the other, so why not make the default be strict, except in the primitives that operate on files? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.