From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:23:43 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412875445 24606 80.91.229.3 (9 Oct 2014 17:24:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 17:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mikegerwitz@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, stephen@xemacs.org, eliz@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 09 19:23:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XcHRT-00029P-Oc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 19:23:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44261 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcHRT-0005WE-4w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:23:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42650) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcHRJ-0005Mr-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:23:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcHRI-0002Qg-7n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:23:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45012) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcHRI-0002Qc-5K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:23:44 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XcHRH-00079S-4b; Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:23:43 -0400 In-reply-to: <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from David Kastrup on Thu, 09 Oct 2014 13:06:11 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175192 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] So first I let the locale and other mechanisms choose an encoding, then try getting at its choice of coding system before any prompts appear, then I convert the symbol to a string, check whether the string ends with "-with-rawbytes" and append it if needed Is that really a likely scenario? I expect that a program, doing some non-editing job involving a network connection, ought to specify a fixed coding system in accord with the protocol it is communicating with. If there are programs that want to heuristically select coding systems for purposes other than reading files, and want to allow raw bytes when UTF-8 is selected, we can easily accommodate them by providing a way to say, "If the heuristics say this is utf-8, use the coding system utf-8-raw-bytes." -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.