From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87lhp6h4zb.fsf@panthera.terpri.org> <87k34qo4c1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54257C22.2000806@yandex.ru> <83iokato6x.fsf@gnu.org> <87wq8pwjen.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g0ptnlj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3yxwdr6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx3tmi3t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834mvttgsf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhp5m99w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <871tqlubqe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87lhosso3m.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412690780 32064 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2014 14:06:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 07 16:06:15 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVP4-0001Xr-HS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:06:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59079 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVP4-00051w-2V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:06:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34943) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVNp-0003v9-7G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:05:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVNj-0005qa-HB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:04:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40421) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVNj-0005qN-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:04:51 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVNi-0005MK-26; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:04:50 -0400 In-reply-to: <87lhosso3m.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175068 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Do people write spam/virus checkers using Guile? I don't know. Why do you care? Because hypothetical examples that I think are unlikely to really occur carry very little weight in this argument. If such a user discovers that Guile emits nonconformant UTF-8, they'll surely have to wonder what other security holes they've imported by simply selecting Guile as an application platform. I don't think we should make practical decisions based on such "What would they think?" arguments. We should do what's right, and people can think what they like. To put it another way, Mark said that Guile is intended to be useful writing servers as well as interactive programs. This discussion is about Guile in the context of Emacs specifically. "What Guile does" generally is a different, though related, topic. Guile could follow the Unicode spec in normal operation, but offer another mode that Emacs can use. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.