From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:03:37 -0400 Message-ID: References: <54193A70.9020901@member.fsf.org> <87k34qo4c1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54257C22.2000806@yandex.ru> <83iokato6x.fsf@gnu.org> <87wq8pwjen.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <837g0ptnlj.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3yxwdr6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx3tmi3t.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <834mvttgsf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhp5m99w.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9ztm5oa.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87d2a54t1m.fsf@yeeloong.lan> <83lhotme1e.fsf@gnu.org> <87fvf1dxha.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2a5maib.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3ylruyg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1412690645 30347 80.91.229.3 (7 Oct 2014 14:04:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:04:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, mhw@netris.org, dmantipov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org, handa@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, eliz@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 07 16:03:55 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVMl-0000JK-N2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:03:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59062 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVMl-0002VS-5e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:03:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:33850) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVMc-0002Ux-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVMZ-0005D1-QP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:03:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVMZ-0005Cu-Ny for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:03:39 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XbVMX-0004oP-Ri; Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:03:37 -0400 In-reply-to: <87r3ylruyg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175064 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] If the user thinks of the "stuff" as characters, they will be unhappy if the editor displays raw bytes for something that could be decoded, What case does that refer to, concretely? Emacs normally recognizes UTF-8 text and decodes it. If some text isn't proper UTF-8, it may use raw bytes for that text. But when does it do this for text that can be decoded as UTF-8? I don't think that ever happens. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.