From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:17:55 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <87sijqxzr2.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <877g11c8wh.fsf@gmx.us> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1411082305 24331 80.91.229.3 (18 Sep 2014 23:18:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:18:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Rasmus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 19 01:18:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkxt-0002or-F6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2014 01:18:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54524 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkxs-0006rs-UH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39629) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkxd-0006p2-TI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkxd-0005Zl-5C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59221) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkxd-0005ZH-2t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XUkxX-0001LR-B1; Thu, 18 Sep 2014 19:17:55 -0400 In-reply-to: <877g11c8wh.fsf@gmx.us> (message from Rasmus on Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:15:10 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174521 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] For popular packages to be distributed outside of Emacs and ELPA has some bad consequences: * We can't change them when we change some part of Emacs that they use. That makes it hard for us to change interfaces. * We don't have copyright assignments in them, so we can't move the code into Emacs. * They may say things that work against the GNU Project in other ways, such as by recommending nonfree programs, or by recommending rivals of GNU packages. I think therefore that we do more to move the popular packages into ELPA or Emacs. Meanwhile, code in Emacs or ELPA should not use external packages. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.