From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:13:50 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83mwhucg1h.fsf@gnu.org> <878ute589i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83d2iqc84m.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqgxkcr9.fsf@yandex.ru> <834n41db0d.fsf@gnu.org> <52FE2985.4070703@yandex.ru> <831tz5daes.fsf@gnu.org> <8738jlohd6.fsf@yandex.ru> <83txc1bl83.fsf@gnu.org> <5300189A.9090208@yandex.ru> <83wqgv9fbj.fsf@gnu.org> <20140216180712.236069f6@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <83sirj9cyp.fsf@gnu.org> <20140217203145.71a849f7@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <837g8t8ouc.fsf@gnu.org> <20140219080524.25689b6b@forcix.jorgenschaefer.de> <87fvnfqyfv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87siq3ovxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87lhvtnsnr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnwoo346.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396192456 20281 80.91.229.3 (30 Mar 2014 15:14:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 15:14:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 30 17:14:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WUHR5-0002za-1u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 17:14:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44680 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUHR4-0001G0-JC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:14:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40209) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUHQq-0000pR-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:13:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUHQk-0000dI-JN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:13:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUHQk-0000dA-G0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:13:50 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WUHQk-0005Dk-1V; Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:13:50 -0400 In-reply-to: <87bnwoo346.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171201 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > This discussion is a response to your fallacious call for people to > deny us credit for our work. Richard, I did no such thing. I called for you to give the same credit to others you demand for yourself. Six of one, and half dozen of the other. You made a point as part of a larger argument, and http://www.gnu.org/gnu/gnu-linux-faq.html#many responds to both. But that justification is misdirected, given that the GNU Project with an uppercase "P" does almost no development. The GNU Project does development in the same way it always did, by recruiting volunteers to work on projects. But it is a tangent anyway. Whether these volunteers are loyal to our ideals or to GNU itself is a tangent too. I won't try to address all the tangents and spin you brought up. People have made a thousand versions of GNU/Linux, because it is free software. The GNU Project is the main developer of the system as a whole; what we did in the 1980s, alone, is enough to make that true. GNU contributed more to the system than any other one project. Arguing about this is outside the purpose of this list. We have a list for such discussion: gnu-misc-discuss. Please take it there, and stop raising it here. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.