From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:12:44 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87sir336qn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20140301215057.GA19461@thyrsus.com> <87fvn1y0vx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn0senq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761nusb90.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394583159 9348 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2014 00:12:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:12:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen@xemacs.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 12 01:12:49 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWmv-0005FA-9o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:12:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57977 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWmu-0001uY-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:12:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38725) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWmr-0001uP-Vg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:12:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWmr-0003u0-4P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58036) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWmr-0003tw-1W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:12:45 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWmq-0006V5-Il; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:12:44 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Tue, 11 Mar 2014 14:38:54 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170283 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] If the alternative is "Using Clang in a proprietary product" then I think "Using GCC in a proprietary product" is definitely not a loss It is more or less the same loss. The case I'm concerned about is that it become normal to use GCC with proprietary add-ons. (especially if the GPLv3 works as it should, making it possible for the user to replace/fix/improve the GCC part of the proprietary product). This would not make the proprietary combination any less bad. What it would do is make sure we would only need to replace the proprietary parts. However, that won't automatically make the job replacing them get done. Nowadays GCC does allow plug-ins -- we came up with a safe way to do it (or at least I hope it's safe). The issue now is to convince people to work on improvements to GCC. I hope that some people will be motivated to work on them so as to get certain features into Emacs. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.