From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:09:58 -0400 Message-ID: References: Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394582996 7561 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2014 00:09:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 00:09:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Barry OReilly Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 12 01:10:06 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWkG-0003Kq-Rr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 12 Mar 2014 01:10:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57971 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWkG-0001MK-3m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:10:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWkB-0001Lo-Ox for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:10:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWkA-00037l-Rf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:09:59 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57802) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWkA-00037g-Oc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:09:58 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WNWkA-0005rS-6M; Tue, 11 Mar 2014 20:09:58 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Barry OReilly on Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:51:11 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170282 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] The argument was made that at the present time, writers of proprietary compilers would choose to leverage Clang rather than GCC, even if GCC liberalized the availability of its AST. Those that are determined to make something proprietary will in many cases use Clang regardless of what we do. If this is true, then there is no longer political value to restrict GCC. That's simplistic reasoning. There are others who might use or work on GCC because "that's the way to get Emacs to use this" or because GCC has been given code to do certain things (which might be done if we push for it). In addition, Clang supports only some languages. It looks like you're out to convince me to allow certain things, rather than out to do the best for software freedom. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.