From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clang vs free software Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:06:37 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87fvqtg02v.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> <52D81960.2080408@yandex.ru> <52DA8C17.4080707@yandex.ru> <52DC00E5.3020803@yandex.ru> <52DC6A26.3020003@yandex.ru> <87k3dv9z85.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87eh439w1n.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87ha8yqvup.fsf@engster.org> <87r47zezcc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390766800 1474 80.91.229.3 (26 Jan 2014 20:06:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Helmut Eller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 26 21:06:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W7Vyf-0003Xl-1J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:06:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56182 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7Vye-0005UA-GC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:06:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55703) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7VyZ-0005PN-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:06:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7VyY-0003ZD-NA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:06:39 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37805) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7VyY-0003Z7-Ik for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:06:38 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W7VyX-0002TX-W6; Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:06:38 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from Helmut Eller on Sun, 26 Jan 2014 11:22:30 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169145 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] IMO, we would be better served with legal hurdles than with technical hurdles. E.g. the license could say that using GCC as platform for proprietary compilers (DragonEgg) are not allowed, while using GCC as platform for free compilers (or editors like Emacs) is allowed and welcome. We have made an effort in this direction already. I'm in favor of doing more. Designing such schemes is not easy, but we can try. They need to be based on specific real scenarios, so we can find the place to draw the line between the good scenarios and the bad ones. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.