From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:17:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <874nbh2z3y.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87y58t1cih.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> <87zjt9rwh7.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <85aa2168-3fd2-42f0-b03f-74c3bc258545@default> <87ppu516qn.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1374909478 23220 80.91.229.3 (27 Jul 2013 07:17:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 07:17:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tromey@redhat.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 27 09:18:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ylM-00083h-N7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:18:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58432 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ylM-0003aR-9e for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:18:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37824) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ylJ-0003aA-IA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:17:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ylI-00012j-La for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:17:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35087) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ylI-00012f-Iq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:17:56 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V2ylG-00080A-TF; Sat, 27 Jul 2013 03:17:54 -0400 In-reply-to: <87ppu516qn.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> (message from Nic Ferrier on Fri, 26 Jul 2013 20:06:08 +0100) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162190 Archived-At: [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. The dispute about the best order of obarrays does not surprise me. What I recall, from when we designed the CL package system, is that no order of search gave good results. This is because it tries to use multiple symbols for a job where what's really wanted is some sort of scoping for the meanings of symbols. There are cases where this can't work cleanly, mainly because the obarray has to be chosen when the symbol is read, and what you really want is to choose later on. If you want to use symbols of the form foo:bar, I think it is better to write them as foo:bar all the time. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call.