From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clang/emacs/ecb/semantic Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:02:27 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20940A983D814C6192ABFF2B7A269A88@gmail.com> <87wqx42nag.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehjcrw70.fsf@engster.org> <87hao816w4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hao7ioos.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <87zk1yhib2.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <50BAE369.2030503@dancol.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1354492967 26488 80.91.229.3 (3 Dec 2012 00:02:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 00:02:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pjb@informatimago.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Daniel Colascione Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 03 01:02:59 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TfJUk-0005Jq-RM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:02:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41286 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfJUZ-0005nZ-66 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:02:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33641) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfJUT-0005Zt-V0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:02:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfJUS-0007fj-Kz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:02:29 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39328) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfJUS-0007fX-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:02:28 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TfJUR-0004mK-EP; Sun, 02 Dec 2012 19:02:27 -0500 In-reply-to: <50BAE369.2030503@dancol.org> (message from Daniel Colascione on Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:13:13 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155187 Archived-At: That's absurd. Software freedom should never be at odds with interoperability. Freedom and trust are inseparable. You can't use free software to make paternalistic decisions about non-free software for the user. We use the GNU GPL to make sure that our code is not included in nonfree programs that violate users' freedom. We develop software as a campaign for freedom, and recognizing that some people might try to include it in nonfree combinations, we use copyleft to stop them. This is what we are doing here. If you think standing up for freedom is "paternalistic", you don't have to participate. There is a lot of other confusion in your message. Some of it is easy to explain: for instance, contrasting free software with commercial software. (See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html.) Some of it would require long analysis, such as the values and goals that show through in the words. What is clear is that you hate copyleft so much that you would relish our defeat simply to replace a copylefted program with a noncopylefted one. If that is how you feel about the GNU Project, you are entitled to your views, of course, but don't state them on this list. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call