From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The emacs_backtrace "feature" Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:40:39 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83lig3yaci.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1348263644 16236 80.91.229.3 (21 Sep 2012 21:40:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 21:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 21 23:40:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TFAxs-00073S-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 23:40:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45305 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TFAxn-0007tM-K3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:40:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TFAxl-0007su-AK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:40:41 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TFAxk-0007sn-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:40:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60015) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TFAxk-0007si-85 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:40:40 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TFAxj-0004qQ-Fs; Fri, 21 Sep 2012 17:40:39 -0400 In-reply-to: <83lig3yaci.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:49:17 +0300) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:153448 Archived-At: I tend to agree with you, and perhaps the backtrace should be directed to a specific disk file rather than to standard error. Andreas Schwab wrote: That's not a real problem. The output of programs that are started from the desktop is typically redirected to a file, so nothing gets lost. That statement seems very surprising to me. Is it true? Where does Gnome redirect the error output from Emacs? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call