From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Webapp/Plugin Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:06:22 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87fw8be692.fsf@catnip.gol.com> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1344186391 32252 80.91.229.3 (5 Aug 2012 17:06:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 17:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pmr@pajato.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 05 19:06:28 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4Hb-0000pc-Sz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 19:06:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47780 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4Hb-0003YI-5K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:06:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59046) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4HZ-0003YD-4E for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:06:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4HY-0006te-68 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:06:25 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35549) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4HY-0006ta-31 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:06:24 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Sy4HW-0008Bu-HA; Sun, 05 Aug 2012 13:06:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <87fw8be692.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (message from Miles Bader on Sun, 29 Jul 2012 09:54:49 +0900) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:152198 Archived-At: > For one thing, I am concerned people might use it in Chrome, which > is nonfree software with a universal back door. If that caught on, > it would be a disaster in terms of our primary goal: giving users > freedom. Wait, doesn't Emacs run on lots of nonfree systems? Yes, it does. However, in this scenario, Emacs would do less of the job than it does now, and would depend on more proprietary software. That is a step in the wrong direction. > The underlying premise is that there are no "desktop" apps > available on this imagined system, just web apps and browser > plugins. > That IS a disaster, in terms of users' freedom. It pushes users > into total dependence on servers. What if it's their server ...? IF it is the user's own server, there's nothing wrong with using using that server. But that is not the way Google intends Chromeboxes to be used, not probably the way most people will use them. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call