From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:42:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328722966 14173 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 17:42:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:42:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnartsms@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com, Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 18:42:45 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RvBXY-000642-Uq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:42:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42390 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvBXX-00074Z-U2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:42:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60912) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvBXU-00074J-CJ for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:42:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvBXO-0001gz-QU for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:42:40 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:48574) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvBXO-0001gv-P6 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:42:34 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RvBXN-0005JO-6q; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:42:33 -0500 In-reply-to: <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (message from Nix on Tue, 07 Feb 2012 23:52:20 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148366 Archived-At: There could be two packages: * cl-real.el in which every CL function had a name starting with `cl-'. * cl.el, which defines aliases for those functions. The issues about cl.el would be the same as now, but cl-real.el would not raise all these issues. It might be ok for cl-real.el to be preloaded. However, the more common the use of these functions becomes, the more we would need to include them in the Emacs Lisp manual anyway. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use free telephony http://directory.fsf.org/category/tel/