From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:28:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83fwlqe2xy.fsf@gnu.org> <20110731.005516.149395323.wl@gnu.org> <20110731.082721.451360942.wl@gnu.org> <87d3gp3zkd.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83oc09auwt.fsf@gnu.org> <87aabskh1u.fsf@gnus.org> <831ux3buyy.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqkna99r.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312363736 26101 80.91.229.12 (3 Aug 2011 09:28:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, list-general@mohsen.1.banan.byname.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: James Cloos Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 03 11:28:52 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoXkx-0008AY-Tj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:28:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59049 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoXkx-0004Cl-6K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:28:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:51792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoXkr-0004By-SA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:28:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoXkn-0005Ur-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:28:45 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:49715) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoXkn-0005Uf-IR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:28:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QoXkm-0003wY-Ku; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:28:40 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from James Cloos on Wed, 03 Aug 2011 01:11:56 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142799 Archived-At: > From: James Cloos > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 01:11:56 -0400 > > > The same thing applies to the From Name. > > First LAST in the above example. > > As I wrote earlier, gnus' summary buffer will become r2l with its > default summary line format whenever the first article's sender's > name is r2l and there are no marks, since everything before the > sender's name is neutral. > > I did encounter an example shortly after I posted that. > > Setting bidi-paragraph-direction to left-to-right for the Summary > buffer was indeed enough to render the buffer correctly. As Mohsen points out, this is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is rendering individual summary lines that include portions, like Subject and names of addressees, in R2L scripts. > I don't know whether any gnus users customize their Group and Summary > buffers to a non-English locale and would prefer a r2l buffer IMO, such customizations don't make sense until the Emacs UI, including the menu bar, the tool bar, and the mode line, can be customized to display right to left. There's a TODO item about that, but it probably won't happen for Emacs 24.1.