From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bidi-display-reordering is now non-nil by default Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:15 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20110731.082721.451360942.wl@gnu.org> <20110731.085115.40009301.wl@gnu.org> <877h6yanje.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878vre95g3.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fwlm7fam.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87bowa7dza.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1312120764 27411 80.91.229.12 (31 Jul 2011 13:59:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:59:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 31 15:59:21 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QnWY4-00025k-Ba for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:59:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47006 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnWY3-0005Up-83 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:19 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:54788) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnWY0-0005Uk-LD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnWXz-0007DT-G1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:16 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:34402) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnWXz-0007DN-DG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QnWXz-000314-5G; Sun, 31 Jul 2011 09:59:15 -0400 In-reply-to: <87bowa7dza.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from David Kastrup on Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:54:01 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142575 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 15:54:01 +0200 > > I repeat: we are currently talking about the default of > bidi-paragraph-direction which Eli argues should be nil in all modes > (not just text-mode derived ones) that don't explicitly override it. I never said that. I just mentioned that as a possible solution. > There are many modes in Emacs that are doing some sort of tabular > display, and flipping some vertical areas of the display horizontally > around depending on the directionality of the first explicit character > is going to make it _harder_, not easier for people trying to work with > bidi content to get sensible results. Which modes are you talking about, specifically?