From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New build process? Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:03:54 -0400 Message-ID: References: <20110726184220.GA6390@acm.acm> <87bowg6fre.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4E2F2084.7070001@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1311761057 21634 80.91.229.12 (27 Jul 2011 10:04:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:04:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: david.reitter@gmail.com, dan.colascione@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 27 12:04:11 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm0yE-0002Zc-5r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:04:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55999 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm0yD-0002wY-AZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:04:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58313) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm0yA-0002w6-Lj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:04:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm0y9-0000CV-LX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:60623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm0y9-0000CP-Il for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eliz by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm0y2-0006jr-V1; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:03:54 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Tim Cross on Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:58:39 +1000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:142370 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 17:58:39 +1000 > From: Tim Cross > Cc: rms@gnu.org, david.reitter@gmail.com, dan.colascione@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Still, my main pint is I don't think we should get too carried away > trying to automate all of this. It is a common requirement and while > some may have been caught out, it is something you should expect when > working this close to the development layer. I'm actually with Richard on this one. I think the need to install, update, and use any additional commands before "./configure; make" is a nuisance whose justification is questionable at best. It's just that I gave up on talking people into catering to us dinosaurs whose paradise was lost, and Richard is still trying, because he's a better man than I am. > Efforts were made to communicate the changes on this list (by you > IIRC Eli) Actually, I think it was Glenn, not me. > My objection with trying to automate or eliminate this simple step > is that the solution can often be worse than the problem The solution is, quite obviously, to have the configure script in the repo. No, don't answer that.