From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changing the default for `send-mail-function'
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:06:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1QbBWA-0002bI-1S@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3r56gi2ni.fsf@quimbies.gnus.org> (message from Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 27 Jun 2011 01:38:57 +0200)
Emacs forks off the "sendmail" program, which takes the message, and
feeds it to exim, which says "ok", and then generates a bounce message.
This seems like a definite bug. Fixing it will take time, but it
should be fixed.
> Why won't the user see the bounce message? If the bounce message is
> delivered locally to the user, why won't Emacs mail readers show it?
Most people don't get mail delivered to their local machine, so there's
no reason for them to look for mail locally.
Emacs could look for it.
Sending mail could set up a timer to check in 15 seconds for a bounce
message. If one arrives, and it indicates that there is no outgoing
mail service, Emacs could set up a buffer for sending that message
again, then invite you to configure smtpmail before resending it.
I think this is a perfect solution, since it will ask the user to
configure smtp only if that is really needed, and it won't bother
people who are happily sending their mail with sendmail.
A second step might be: instead of configuring Emacs to send via smtp,
help the user configure Exim to do it. That way, scripts that want to
send a message will work too.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
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2011-06-26 9:14 Changing the default for `send-mail-function' Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 10:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 10:56 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 11:32 ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-26 11:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 12:45 ` Reiner Steib
2011-06-26 12:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 14:51 ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-27 20:45 ` Jochen Hein
2011-06-26 12:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 13:08 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 13:42 ` Philipp Haselwarter
2011-06-26 17:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 18:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-30 4:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-30 8:55 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 18:35 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 19:09 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:50 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 20:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:40 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-26 20:44 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:54 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:20 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 21:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 21:52 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 22:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 22:49 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-26 23:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:49 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 0:57 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27 9:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 2:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 3:34 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27 4:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 9:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 11:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 11:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 12:00 ` Christoph Scholtes
2011-06-27 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 0:03 ` Bill Wohler
2011-06-28 5:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 15:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-28 18:47 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 20:23 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 15:49 ` Bill Wohler
2011-06-27 0:03 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 19:49 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 21:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 22:44 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 23:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:55 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27 0:00 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 1:39 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27 5:59 ` Jan Djärv
2011-06-27 7:12 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27 8:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 23:21 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-26 23:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 13:06 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2011-06-28 15:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 10:58 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-29 10:58 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-29 11:52 ` Teemu Likonen
2011-06-29 11:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-29 11:59 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-29 13:42 ` Richard Riley
2011-06-30 0:13 ` Tim Cross
2011-06-30 16:22 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-30 16:34 ` Andreas Schwab
2011-06-30 21:11 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27 0:10 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27 1:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-06-27 10:32 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-26 13:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-26 18:36 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:32 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-26 20:37 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 20:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2011-06-27 4:20 ` Tim Cross
2011-06-27 5:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-06-27 11:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 15:56 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28 1:14 ` Tim Cross
2011-06-28 1:39 ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-28 2:24 ` Glenn Morris
2011-06-28 18:11 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-27 13:06 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-30 3:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-01 0:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01 0:50 ` chad
2011-07-01 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01 2:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-01 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-01 12:30 ` Frank Schmitt
2011-07-02 8:11 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-02 14:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-03 12:49 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-04 3:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-04 11:39 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 0:53 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-05 12:45 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 14:11 ` Jan Djärv
2011-07-05 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 21:43 ` Antoine Levitt
2011-07-05 23:28 ` chad
2011-07-06 1:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-06 14:33 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 19:39 ` chad
2011-07-07 0:34 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 1:01 ` chad
2011-07-07 16:31 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 22:16 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2011-07-08 0:07 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 1:06 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 1:19 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-07 1:28 ` chad
2011-07-07 16:31 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08 23:38 ` chad
2011-07-09 14:38 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-12 3:11 ` chad
2011-07-07 3:25 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 16:31 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 7:14 ` Richard Riley
2011-07-07 15:02 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-07 15:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-08 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08 0:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-09 1:50 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-10 12:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-10 22:25 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-11 12:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-11 13:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-11 15:28 ` Ken Brown
2011-07-11 16:34 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-07-11 18:42 ` Ken Brown
2011-08-02 21:32 ` Ken Brown
2011-08-02 22:09 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-03 0:40 ` Ken Brown
2011-08-03 1:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 15:24 ` Ken Brown
2011-08-04 20:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-04 21:57 ` Ken Brown
2011-08-06 1:56 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-06 15:56 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-08-06 17:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 18:33 ` Ken Brown
2011-08-06 18:36 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-08-06 23:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-06 23:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2011-08-07 0:07 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-07 0:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-07 1:34 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-06 23:18 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-08-07 16:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-09-29 15:08 ` Ken Brown
2011-10-06 19:41 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07 13:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-09 6:05 ` Tim Cross
2011-08-03 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-08 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-09 2:38 ` Tim Cross
2011-07-09 14:38 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 14:32 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-07 22:37 ` Andreas Rottmann
2011-07-05 14:22 ` Per Starbäck
2011-07-05 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-05 14:24 ` Antoine Levitt
2011-07-05 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 11:11 ` Richard Riley
2011-07-08 7:56 ` Peter Münster
2011-07-08 18:31 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-12 14:41 ` Peter Münster
2011-07-05 8:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-05 21:05 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-06 1:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-07-03 17:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2011-07-04 0:07 ` Richard Stallman
2011-07-04 2:49 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-27 15:08 ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-27 15:34 ` Julien Danjou
2011-06-27 17:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-27 18:56 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 19:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-28 0:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2011-06-27 21:03 ` Chong Yidong
2011-06-28 15:20 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-27 23:03 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-27 19:07 ` Ted Zlatanov
2011-06-27 16:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-28 14:57 ` Jason Rumney
2011-06-26 16:18 ` Richard Stallman
2011-06-26 18:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-06-26 23:21 ` Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-06-27 11:25 Andrey Paramonov
2011-06-27 11:38 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
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