From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: DocView now supports OpenDocument & MS Office formats Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:11:34 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87hbduhno4.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1294006309 10378 80.91.229.12 (2 Jan 2011 22:11:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 22:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, jasonr@gnu.org To: MON KEY Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 23:11:45 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZW9Q-0008Dx-Si for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 23:11:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42089 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZW9Q-0007Gl-6N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:11:44 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36792 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PZW9L-0007Ez-6x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:11:40 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZW9K-0007DA-13 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:11:39 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:45969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PZW9J-0007D6-Ve for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:11:37 -0500 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PZW9G-0000HT-4j; Sun, 02 Jan 2011 17:11:34 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from MON KEY on Sun, 2 Jan 2011 02:29:26 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:134180 Archived-At: Oracle's stated intent is to supply the Oracle OpenOffice deliverables with SaaS capabilities. This is not a theoretical matter, its happening. "SaaS capabilities" is rather vague -- could you tell me what this refers to? The issue is important because OpenOffice is important. I am not yet sure it related to Emacs, but I should learn about it anyway. In order for an Emacs to gain ODF support via the proposed docview.el interface one must leverage python/pyuno/UNO/OpenOffice/Java The point is: - interaction with the UNO bridge is not (necessarily) simple RPC; That is too vague to draw conclusions from. - the UNO SDK is a poorly specified; That would be a problem if we cannot make it work. - Its protocol is compromised in lieu of the Sun/Oracle merger; "Compromised" is rather vague, so I am not sure this is an issue. - asking Emacs users to embrace these dependencies just to gain ODF support is tantamount to a tacit endorsement of Oracle's reframing of software as service in a distributed manner; I am not sure "Software as a Service in a distributed manner" is coherent. Often the alternative to a centralized network service is a distributed system in which users' machines cooperate. Thus, I have doubts about this conclusion. - asking Emacs users to install the python/pyuno/UNO/OpenOffice/Java dependencies just to gain ODF support is ironic given the extent to which the Emacs-Devels have endeavored to keep the Emacs footprint small; People who want to use ODF need to install OpenOffice anyway, so I am not sure this is a terrible problem. If there's another way to do the job, it might be better. -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org