From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Google modules integration Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:16:40 -0400 Message-ID: References: <878w3a1x9s.fsf@keller.adm.naquadah.org> <87iq2c262m.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aanm2802.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1284941819 25457 80.91.229.12 (20 Sep 2010 00:16:59 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 00:16:59 +0000 (UTC) Cc: julien@danjou.info, carsten.dominik@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 20 02:16:57 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxU40-0006jD-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 20 Sep 2010 02:16:57 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39272 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OxU3z-0003by-T4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:16:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41594 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OxU3m-0003ZO-Ji for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:16:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxU3l-0007Gx-6c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:16:42 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:44520) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxU3l-0007Gt-2M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:16:41 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OxU3k-0003wD-3d; Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:16:40 -0400 In-reply-to: <87aanm2802.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (stephen@xemacs.org) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:130514 Archived-At: While freedom is a universal value, not everyone values it as you do. People have all sorts of political views, and lots of people totally disagree with the GNU Project's values. We respect their right to advocate their views; however, aside from that, their views are not pertinent here. Lots of people think proprietary software is fine, but that is no reason for us to grant it legitimacy. They may also think that SaaS is fine. That is no reason for us to grant it legitimacy. Unfortunately, as freedom-loving as you are, you nevertheless found it necessary to build a wall between the free software movement, It is not a wall, it is a clear distinction. The distinction shows the difference between two philosophies based on different values. It does not restrict what anyone can think. and the open source movement, many of whose leaders are just as dedicated to freedom in their own way, It is true that many open source advocates contribute to programs that are free. But it is implausible that many open source leaders agree with us. A few say they do, but the rest disagree. I believe that open source advocates in general say what they really think, and that they really don't agree with us. Most of them learned their values from other open source advocates, who won't have directed them towards seeing an issue of freedom in the manner of distribution of software. but also the implicit networks defined by people traveling to meet friends or to eat dinner, making phone calls to their mothers or their brokers, etc. If I ever envisage taking a stand against that, I will be sure to let you know.