From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <201007132008.o6DK8O94068118@kzsu.stanford.edu> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279127780 25507 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2010 17:16:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joe Brenner Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 19:16:19 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5ZC-0001eo-OM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:16:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38667 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ5ZB-0005Pm-TE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=48883 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ5Z3-0005OU-F6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5Z2-0007mS-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:09 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:43728) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5Z2-0007mO-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ5Z0-0002lT-Jj; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:16:06 -0400 In-reply-to: <201007132008.o6DK8O94068118@kzsu.stanford.edu> (message from Joe Brenner on Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:08:24 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127301 Archived-At: Ted Nelson nailed this one a long time ago. I paraphrase: "Either way makes sense if you think about it, but one makes sense if you don't think about it. Because users are *drivers*." I am not sure what you mean by "drivers", and I doubt that your conclusion is true. Do you have any evidence that this is true for people _in general_? I doubt that is true. (And I see that "scroll-left" is disabled by default because new users find it confusing You have misunderstood. This problem has nothing to do with the command names. Some users do horizontal scrolling by accident, not knowing what they typed, and they don't understand why the buffer looks strange. So I decided to disable that command. We could make horizontal scrolling less confusing if we added horizontal scroll bars.